tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post8113366884366041998..comments2023-08-04T04:50:56.834-06:00Comments on Redheaded Wisdom: Do we ever learn anything? a small sample ...D.K. Raedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-74885147919549953742007-12-08T07:28:00.000-07:002007-12-08T07:28:00.000-07:00I'm a little late to this thread DK, but what bett...I'm a little late to this thread DK, but what better day than this the 27th anniversary of an old Liverpool friend of mine's senseless murder in New York, to look at and listen to this, eh?<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://youtube.com/watch?v=dQdyEw6jfGQ&feature=related" REL="nofollow"><B>Give Peace A Chance - John Lennon.</B></A>Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11048198233889575116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-26917273028825004842007-11-28T18:11:00.000-07:002007-11-28T18:11:00.000-07:00EProf: nice to see ya here! Masters of War was/i...EProf: nice to see ya here! Masters of War was/is masterful. Still says it all with a gut punch in the end. I heard Eddie Vedder do a powerful rendition one night at a Bob Dylan retrospective. I think he topped Dylan. And OMG, Joan Baez, absolutely! Husband E.K. has been in LOVE with her forever.<BR/><BR/>I don't know why The Hat sounds familiar. I tried googling it, but ended up seeing Cat in the Hat movie promo stuff. If it's a very short film, maybe it's on YouTube?D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-72149798676348417992007-11-28T15:28:00.000-07:002007-11-28T15:28:00.000-07:00Imagine by John Lennon. Masters of War by Bob Dyla...Imagine by John Lennon. Masters of War by Bob Dylan. And, so many songs by Joan Baez. You would think with all the anti-war, pro-peace music in the world we would have leaders that truly would go to war only as THE last resort instead of pre-emptive stikes and call for war at the drop of a hat. Speaking of which, have you ever seen the short film, The Hat? Two guys walking up and down a border on military patrol. One of them drops their hat, and now they don't know how to get it back without crossing the border and starting a war. A cartoon filled with the irrationality of warfare.eProf2https://www.blogger.com/profile/03977043251946962968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-41170215390621605462007-11-28T14:34:00.000-07:002007-11-28T14:34:00.000-07:00Jamie: oooh, that was a sweet vid, thanks! I lis...Jamie: oooh, that was a sweet vid, thanks! I listened to a lot Creedance & that one particularly (still love the line, I ain't no senator's son). Really takes me back, remembering Who'll Stop the Rain, and Bad Moon Rising, etc.<BR/><BR/>What upsets me most about the "ownership economy" Bush touts is the career choices for many lower income level kids being dwindled down to feeding the military machine ... while the children of those who make these social policies have choices limited only by their own ambition.<BR/><BR/>ps, I've been inexcusably lazy getting back to visit you, but been meaning to tell you how much Hub & I enjoyed The Free Rice Game!D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-33013685359783329362007-11-28T14:11:00.000-07:002007-11-28T14:11:00.000-07:00Creedance Fortunate SonNothing has really changed....Creedance <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X90T5sY5c2o" REL="nofollow">Fortunate Son</A><BR/><BR/>Nothing has really changed. Those who can do other things aren't likely to be fighting and the profiteer's children will have great trust funds.Durward Discussionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15023629504094283860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-54925423927011812322007-11-28T13:51:00.000-07:002007-11-28T13:51:00.000-07:00Spado, I thought it was a trick question, too. An...Spado, I thought it was a trick question, too. And learning from my previous mistake of interpreting a question too literally, I responded something like: in the few years it actually trickles into any body of water, that would be the Sea of Cortez, also known as The Gulf of California. Surprise! The Trivial Pursuit answer: The Pacific Ocean! This all happened back in the mid-80's & I'm still a bit frosted.<BR/><BR/>Now, I don't know about marching bands, or if the country will EVER be able to come together again, but I remember that Jackson Browne song, esp the line about the ones who take us to war never being the ones to fight & die.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-76987088434896037622007-11-28T05:01:00.000-07:002007-11-28T05:01:00.000-07:00Is there any water left in the Colorado River to e...Is there any water left in the Colorado River to empty into anything? That had to be a trick question in the TP game.<BR/><BR/>My Dad, he passed in 1983, used to say that the Country would come together if they played march music again. He was thinking like John Philip Sousa marching band anthems and such. This was back in the 70's when he felt we were divided after Vietnam was over and then exposed for what it was, another country-lying-to-its-people episode.<BR/><BR/>If the media outlets weren't owned, bought and paid for by corporations that stand to gain as the fascists take over, we could do the same today by playing this "old" music.<BR/><BR/>Remember the Jackson Browne song called "Lives In the Balance"?Spadomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17781369901345409341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-26227770695811105322007-11-28T01:05:00.000-07:002007-11-28T01:05:00.000-07:00Spado: thanks for the tips, I'll check them out. ...Spado: thanks for the tips, I'll check them out. And of course, Bob Marley is always good for what ails ya!<BR/><BR/>Cartledge: seems your ancestors were a lot more industrious than mine, who were mostly small farmers, miners, occasional outlaws & societal misfits. I wasn't kidding about wretched refuse.<BR/><BR/>PProg: may it always connect us, through time & space. But now "human" ... well, in my life I've had the pleasure of knowing two dogs who actually listened to music. Unfortunately, one of them is slowly going deaf right now. She used to love Beethoven's Ninth (Ode to Joy), but now has become much like the composer himself, very keen of eye & observant of actions, but living in a muted world.<BR/><BR/>Tomcat: Fran & Pursey also cited "Ohio"! Abraham Martin & John used to make me cry, especially the end part about Bobby walking up over the hill. I once lost a Trivial Pursuit game that hinged on naming "the 4th person" in that song. I answered "Bobby" because that is what the song says. The answer was Robert Kennedy (duh!). The person I was playing against was a stickler, so I lost. For years, I wanted to yell at those Trivial Pursuit guys about that question & another one they botched about which body of water the Colorado River empties into. Now it's just another funny memory.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-26030417443841039402007-11-27T15:08:00.000-07:002007-11-27T15:08:00.000-07:00LOL, thanks DK. My favorites are Abraham, Martin ...LOL, thanks DK. My favorites are Abraham, Martin and John and Ohio.TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-79886180683602603512007-11-27T15:06:00.000-07:002007-11-27T15:06:00.000-07:00Music , spirit feeding, spirit sustaining ART. It...Music , spirit feeding, spirit sustaining ART. Its all so human of us. We are connected to something larger through it. And it transcends all time and space.proudprogressivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05847907206540248082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-89670736616657684392007-11-27T14:32:00.000-07:002007-11-27T14:32:00.000-07:00d.k. from the safe distance of a couple hundred yr...d.k. <I>from the safe distance of a couple hundred yrs</I> I know what you are saying there, but I’ve researched the period from 1840 through in respect to my family arrivals. <BR/>Sure life was tough at times, but modern convenience aside, it was not uniformly bleak. My own forebears had the leisure time to allow them to engage in establishing a social infrastructure. <BR/>They were involved in establishing early savings banks, housing schemes and employment creation. They weren’t wealthy, but did operate various businesses. I was amazed to find just how much convicts and free contributed to building a society.Cartledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11929350278316125588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-2170344369510968902007-11-27T11:13:00.000-07:002007-11-27T11:13:00.000-07:00Right now, as I type, we are listening to Emma's R...Right now, as I type, we are listening to <A HREF="http://www.emmasrevolution.com/" REL="nofollow">Emma's Revolution</A>. The 21st Century's version of the icons that stood for peace in the 1960's. Also, we like <A HREF="http://www.sarathomsen.com/" REL="nofollow">Sarah Thomsen</A> out of Duluth, MN.<BR/><BR/>Seems these folks don't get much play time. You have to really look around to find a public station that streams. The publics are the only ones that have the guts to play them. They play Neil Young because he is an established icon.<BR/><BR/>Deke, Emma's Revolution is going to be southwest in February. Might be around your neck of the woods, you can catch a listen.<BR/><BR/>Also a lot of Reggae that still fits the situation from long ago right up to now. Jimmy Cliff, Ziggy Marley and Father Bob Marley. Stuff like Redemption Song.<BR/><BR/>Peace to All.Spadomanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17781369901345409341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-63223050050872036722007-11-26T23:20:00.000-07:002007-11-26T23:20:00.000-07:00Cartledge: I know that's how I would look at it (...Cartledge: I know that's how I would look at it (as a gift of sunshine & opportunity), from the safe distance of a couple hundred yrs, but I'm glad to hear you say it. Besides, anyone alive today must have a whole rogue's gallery in the family tree. It's the rogue who succeeds during hard times & thereby lives long enough to breed. <BR/><BR/>Tomcat: You're welcome. Those retreads look good on you!D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-66572145678192977762007-11-26T14:34:00.000-07:002007-11-26T14:34:00.000-07:00Thanks, DK. I'm a retreaded 1960s activist and th...Thanks, DK. I'm a retreaded 1960s activist and these are some of my favorites. :-)TomCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11397335545286040472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-83877846300378716912007-11-26T12:24:00.000-07:002007-11-26T12:24:00.000-07:00d.k. The era of sensitivity over a convict past is...d.k. The era of sensitivity over a convict past is long gone. There was an excellent article at the weekend proudly detailing Kevin Rudd’s convict antecedents. But the reality is still, for convict or free settler families, England gave us a wonderful gift,<BR/>Transportation was an economic policy, clearing out the excess bodies not absorbed by the industrial revolution. Look what we got – sunshine, clean air, space to stretch your arms out.<BR/>It is what we do with that gift now that concerns me, but there are very few Briton’s who don’t want to leave those tiny islands now. But Australians are also great travellers, probably more about isolation than transportation, but we have a world view is another gift of being here.Cartledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11929350278316125588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-11301002310520785442007-11-26T12:03:00.000-07:002007-11-26T12:03:00.000-07:00Fran: your son is showing a rational reponse to i...Fran: your son is showing a rational reponse to irrationality. That is a good sign of a fine mind. The world is hard to take, as a whole, but the little pieces we get to interact with in our daily lives, now those are things we can alter. Good for him, I say, to be considering how to make the world better. ps, look at<BR/>http://www.countryjoe.com/<BR/>to see what he's been doing with his life. Your son might like to read his testimony at the Chicago 7 trial (under Who Am I?). It's a big site with much info, past & present, kind of a diary of our times. I found the Untitled Protest video there. There's a ton of other stuff & links to everything.<BR/><BR/>Now, PProg: I was well (WELL!) beyond my teenage yrs by the 80's, but I think the fire has never left my belly. oh sure, sometimes it's died down for yrs, decades, but then shit that just can't born starts happening all over again, and it flares up. If we don't get a massive turn-out at the elections next yr, I'm really afraid it will be deja-vu all over again.<BR/><BR/>Catledge: don't take this wrong, but since you bring it up, I've always wanted to ask an Aussie ... if you have transported ancestors, are you as a descendent generally happy with how it turned out? 'course, you know how we wretched refuse in america feel about our huddled masses finding their way here, but I'm wondering how an Aussie feels about his ancestors being forced out, often for some petty crime, uprooted & plopped down in a primitive environment.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-58493549150466014882007-11-26T11:13:00.000-07:002007-11-26T11:13:00.000-07:00Untitled Protest actually brought me to tears. I s...Untitled Protest actually brought me to tears. I showed it to my 19yr old, who asked me to play it a 2nd time, and then he said-" how can I find a way to live in this world? I can't believe my country is doing this". He is leaning towards some kind of Peace Corps, or major humanitarian work. He asked me if I would be opposed to him going to into some kind of ministry/overseas work. I told him, I can't hardly say no to him wanting to be a male version of Mother Teresa now could I?Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-72474471244984144902007-11-26T09:29:00.000-07:002007-11-26T09:29:00.000-07:00One song Rise Up by Toronto disbanded group Parach...One song Rise Up by Toronto disbanded group Parachute Club , came out in the early 80s. I like the new stuff too, by Neil Young on Living with War. People we got to keep a fire in our bellies or kindle one up ,if it is just a meek flicker of flame. Our government is so deaf - its taking too long for the change we the people WANT NOW. no yesterday.proudprogressivehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05847907206540248082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-42900463920001031702007-11-26T01:17:00.000-07:002007-11-26T01:17:00.000-07:00d.k. My Canadian darling told me today that she ha...d.k. My Canadian darling told me today that she has trouble understanding me now I'm a year back hear. I've reverted to Australian.<BR/>But more to the point - Waltzing Matilda was an early Aust protest song used by the shearers union and signaling the birth of the left here - and the Labour Party who just won government. Not that they are left anymore, but moderate I'm more than happy with.<BR/>The oldest protest song for this country, I believe, is Botany Bay - an anti transportation song.Cartledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11929350278316125588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-89892749486095086742007-11-26T01:10:00.000-07:002007-11-26T01:10:00.000-07:00Fran:Bill of Rights for an album sleeve -- Neil Yo...Fran:<BR/>Bill of Rights for an album sleeve -- Neil Young will rock forever! I heard him lambasting a fluff reporter recently, saying, why don't you ask any important questions, not just of me, but of anyone? One of those Ohio links was about then-CA-Gov Reagan saying a few weeks before Kent State, "if it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with". Just chilling, I mean, there he was talking about killing student protestors like that was a solution.<BR/><BR/>Glad you liked "Untitled Protest". I found it very eerie; hard to forget. I listened to a lot of Country Joe, even met him once when he was advising students on avoiding the draft.<BR/><BR/>Cartledge:<BR/>I think it is MY fractured syntax that needs work. well, I write like I talk! ps, The Pogue's Waltzing Matilda is NOTHING like the standard anthem. Nothing Shane MacGowan does is standard.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-45733737288913385072007-11-26T00:18:00.000-07:002007-11-26T00:18:00.000-07:00Oh! I had never heard of the *Untitled Protest* so...Oh! I had never heard of the *Untitled Protest* song before. That was Haunting- a kind of mantra, with the words of truth in a form of poetry.<BR/>Wow!Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-85551828766322406462007-11-26T00:14:00.000-07:002007-11-26T00:14:00.000-07:00d.k. these 17 year olds listen to only 19 lol. I m...d.k. these 17 year olds listen to only 19 lol. I must work on my written expression.<BR/>Waltzing Matilda is a national anthem, but not to kids particularly.Cartledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11929350278316125588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-41643129126690395412007-11-26T00:13:00.000-07:002007-11-26T00:13:00.000-07:00dk~ I went to the link you posted, that was well d...dk~ I went to the link you posted, that was well done, documenting the whole story. It was interesting to see the 45 single of OHIO was packaged in a wrapper that had the bill of rights imprinted on it. I have a whole new respect for Neil Young.<BR/><BR/>someday we will catch up with the technology... but for now I can handle the copying & pasting of a url.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198689517878201943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-42368532723810663632007-11-26T00:11:00.000-07:002007-11-26T00:11:00.000-07:00Cartledge:Your young cadet friends play the Red Gu...Cartledge:<BR/>Your young cadet friends play the Red Gum song? Or the Waltzing Matilda song? (see, I get confused, too ... oh wait, maybe I was unclear, it was The Pogues I was referring to as being irish). I really liked Red Gum. I should look into some of their other stuff. I know you have a good strong irish musical influence down there.D.K. Raedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01451065603615752038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5361366843010914070.post-12654433631817046512007-11-25T23:46:00.000-07:002007-11-25T23:46:00.000-07:00d.k. now you really confused me :) We have a lot o...d.k. now you really confused me :) We have a lot of Caleagh Bands (Irish) here as part of our bush music tradition. Red Gum is one of them. <BR/>More important, when i pulled that file up the son of a friend was here. Young Jake is 17 and in his last year of army cadets. He is hoping to sign up soon in transport. <BR/>He and his cadet friends apparently play that track as an anthem. Go figure...Cartledgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11929350278316125588noreply@blogger.com